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Grunge
Driver
USA
18 Posts |
 Posted - 03/02/2008 : 02:01:58 AM
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It is important to me. Ive been racing for along time online and even a bit in real life and while im usually not the fastest guy around, I've always prided myself on being someone you could "trust" to race around.
Tonight that reputation was called into question by Nathan Truninger and since this a new league with folks i dont know i felt compelled to show my side of the story and defend myself and my reputation.
Nathan, I dont see anywhere that i raced you too hard. I held my line and even gave you the position on several occasions but you could not make the pass. You said several times on the server tonight that i put you into the wall and this video will plainly show that you drove the car in too hard on the outside, washed up the track and hit the wall.
I didnt talk much on the server tonight because that isnt the time nor the place. I can tell you that ive been racing online for along time and your behaviour tonight in the text buffer and on the track around lap 55 would have gotten you some severe penalties and quite possibly kicked out of some of the leagues Ive raced in. Im not asking for you to be penalized either, im just filling you in on my background.
Yes, i have made mistakes in racing before....I dont know anyone that hasnt. If i screw up in a race you can bet ill find you after the race and apologize for it but i dont say anything but Pit in and Pit out during a race. The text buffer can be a distraction and some leagues ive raced in actually forbid any chat except for pitting/passing messages.
Video here: http://www.three-five.com/Movies/3_1_08_Calif.wmv
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Rhino
Champion Driver
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 09:04:44 AM
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That was not my point Grunge. Rule 5 on the rule page states "5) If someone gets a run on you and makes it to your rear wheel give room." I felt like you didn't give me a centimeter of room. The reason I was frustrated was the fact that we, (as in both cars here) were going much slower as a result of running hard, and the cars behind us were catching up rather quickly. If you had simply let me go, especially as it was that early in the race and my car was much faster, there would not have been this issue. (Brake a little sooner going into a corner, things of that nature.) As far as Lap 55, I got rather loose coming out of 2 and didn't meant to "throw block" you, I was trying to hold my line.
This was my first league race in this league. I know now what not to do as far as chat and what not as of this moment.
See you all in Vegas. |
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Grunge
Driver
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 09:36:38 AM
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I moved up when you got beside me and you couldnt get the pass done. Im not going to give up my racing line and possibly get steamrolled by more people behind you just to let you by. If you are faster than me then you need to be able to pass me. When you got up beside me what did i do? I move up...if you listen to my car in the replay you can even hear me crack the throttle. If you show me your fender i will give you the spot...and i did give you the spot but you couldnt hold it. How about the part where i supposedly put you in the wall?
Im sorry, i was going to just post this and let it go but you come in here like you did nothing wrong and dont even offer to correct anything that you said.....nah.
As for what you did on lap 55... it started entering the corner and you must have also broken a control arm or something because that poor car was weaving all over the track on the back stretch and it must have just been odd timing that it weaved into right where i wanted to go each time i turned my wheel...Ive been doing this too long to actually believe that :)
hehe, nice try though.
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Rhino
Champion Driver
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 09:59:36 AM
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. These cars handle way different than what I'm used to with Nascar Sim Racing, and from that experience, and at the time I thought I had help into the wall, my bad for saying that. Even then, I haven't raced NSR for maybe a year or so, its mostly been console racing on the XBOX 360, and I got sick of that as everyone just wrecks.
Thats my story, take it or leave it, but it doesn't make sense to bicker about it, you are correct about that. |
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GreyGhost
Jack Man
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 11:38:50 AM
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| Unfortunately I don't know how to post videos. But I wouldn't be quoting rules after switching from your correct place on the outside row in the pace line to the inside then lying back for a run on the green flag. This action is simply as dishonest as you can get and puts other players in jeopardy. Just because your faster doesn't mean you automatically get the position. You still have to earn it by getting beside them on the straight entering the corner. I could under stand your complaint if he was blocking but he doesn't have to give up his racing line. It doesn't happen in real life hence the quote "catching them is one thing passing them is another". Then of course then comes the unprofessional flaming during the race, no one should be typing a thing unless absolutely necessary since it's a distraction. |
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Rhino
Champion Driver
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 12:12:16 PM
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Originally posted by GreyGhost
Unfortunately I don't know how to post videos. But I wouldn't be quoting rules after switching from your correct place on the outside row in the pace line to the inside then lying back for a run on the green flag. This action is simply as dishonest as you can get and puts other players in jeopardy.
Like I said in the post in the thread I started, I was doing what the sim told me to. (It said stay behind the whatever car that was I was following in the bottom line at the start, which is what I did.) If I'm not supposed to do that then I must have missed that rule as well. I think everyone would admit that the start was a bit odd to begin with. If you think I jumped the gun, then fine. Like I said, it was either go to the outside where there was room, or slam into the guy ahead of me and start a chain reaction as the guy behind me was right up on my bumper.
Lets move on, it was my first race. |
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Joe B. Jr.
Champion Driver
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 2:02:06 PM
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| LOL Rhino, If you are having trouble because you are used to driving NASCAR Sim Racing by EA Sports then that right there is most likely the problem. The video has been posted, yes you do show over aggression, you had plenty of chances to get around and as stated you could not get it done. Rule five says about letting someone pass you "if it looks like they got a good run". Well, never in the video did it look like you had a (good run) but instead looked like you was trying desperately to pass in any way, shape or form that you could. It is very clear that you did not have the horses to make the pass. If you did, you would have. So in that particular situation about "rule 5" I would not have just moved over and let you pass me either. You did not have a clean run and it was not obvious that you could make the pass. Was he supposed to just slow down or even stop to let you buy just because he could see how hard and bad you wanted to pass even though it was more obvious that you could not do it? No he was not. I also see in that video some early blocking by you. We do not block until the last couple of laps this is also in the rules. Yes it was your first race and I doubt very much that these guys who have been racing in groups online for a number of years needs you to be explaining to then what is and what is not and how it should or should not be. Get yourself some experience and learn the rules of NASCAR and the rules of the rFactor platform before you start trying to tell the veterans how it should be or is going to be. If this topic gets any worse then it is now I will for sure lock it down. Remember in your own words.. (it was my first race.)<--- That right there is a very key statement. On to Las Vegas. |
"Some Things Are Not For Everybody"
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Rhino
Champion Driver
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 2:34:17 PM
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Joe, Grunge, all,
You are right and that my inexperience got the better of me and I apologize for it. These cars handle so differently, I was amazed I did as well as I did. I do drive aggressively, thats just how I am, but I will work hard not to be OVERLY aggressive. I could get down in the turns very well, but couldn't get out of them well. I think the next race, I'll just sit in back until the last green flag run!
BTW I understand the rules of NASCAR fine, its just how you guys are interpreting them into rFactor is what is going to take me getting used to. |
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Grunge
Driver
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 3:00:36 PM
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| Understood, Joe. On to Vegas. Anyone got a setup cause i tried it this morning and i got nothin!.....lol |
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Joe B. Jr.
Champion Driver
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 3:01:46 PM
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| Its cool Rhino. Overly Aggressive reminds me of the guy on the pole today in the Las Vegas race on tv. He is interesting to watch most of the time. rFactor does deal with rules a good bit differently then the NSR. Far as staying back thats ok but I would just race fast and let there be plenty of give and take until the last 10 laps or so. We are here to see who becomes a NSS online racing champion at the end of the season and we are also here to have fun. Thanks for being a part of it. :-) SeeYa! Joe B. |
"Some Things Are Not For Everybody"
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Chad Waters
Jack Man
USA
2 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2008 : 4:44:14 PM
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| I didnt see you do anything wrong grunge. |
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